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Flippa
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Posted: 2007-01-22 14:39 CEST | |
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Hello trombonists^^ I am playing trumpet since 9 and a half years.. i´ve got a ska/funk - band and i would like to learn trombone, so that we can have more musical aspects. can you tell me, is it more easy for me to learn it because its played similar or isnt there any advantage for me? and how long would it take me until i am good enough to use the trombone in the band? thanks and please dont mind my english, i am from germany^^ |
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trumpeteer
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Posted: 2007-01-22 23:36 CEST | |
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i have been playing trumpet for quite some time too, but as well i would like to pick up the trombone for a couple of songs for the band i'm in. i feel that i have the advantage when it comes to the umbusher (pardon the spelling).. but that's about it... i learned the 7 positions of the slide and how the different umbusher positions are from Bb A Ab G, i'm not sure please correct me if i'm wrong, and that each slide position is a semi tone higher from the initial position but it takes to long to "calculate" which note i am on from the slide position and the ambusher "level"... does that make sense? i don't really know what the initial Bb A Ab G sound like as well... i need to play around because the lip difference is much more minimal compared to trumpet until i realize that im on the A, for example so as flippa was saying. is it easy to learn? am i learning it wrong? are there some advantages other than they are both brass instruments? how can i teach myself? thanks |
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Flippa
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Posted: 2007-01-23 00:36 CEST | |
| perhaps there are some kinda "do-it-yourself" books... i know they exist for guitar and bass... | ||
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RCT2head
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Posted: 2007-01-26 20:42 CEST | |
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well... from trumpet, if you have access... learn a euphonium... same fingerings, and you learn bass... i went from a euphonium to trombone in about a week... embouchure is the same for both instruments, the only difference is from valves to a slide and if you have access to any warm-up books for trombone, like a tone builder book, or even a beginner band student book, most of the slide positions will be in there... though they don't cover trigger positions usually... but if using an F attachment trigger on a tenor bone, it's like kicking out to 6th position while staying at first... and if using 2 triggers on a bass bone, it's like going to 4th... at least that's what i'm told... mine's a simple tenor with no attachments |
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Reid
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Posted: 2007-02-06 18:12 CEST | |
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Hey man. I taught myself trombone about a year or two after I began playing trumpet. The easiest way to learn it is just to think of it all chromatically. Trumpet going down from a low C, for instance, finger wise, is 0 (C), 2 (B), 1 (Bb), 12 (A), 23 (Ab), 13 (G), 123 (F#). For trombone, for the C (or Bb, if you are reading trombone music) it would be position 1 for C, 2 for B, and so on and so forth. It really isn't difficult. Also, since you are playing trumpet, you will have the chops to play higher notes fairly easy. Honestly, if you just fool around with that and understand the concept of how the slide positions correlate to trumpet fingerings, its actually a fairly easy switch, with practice. Hope that helped! Oh, and trumpeteer, I just read your post. The notes themselves are one and a half steps lower then that of the trumpet note, however they sound the same. A C for trumpet is a Bb for trombone, but they are the SAME note. You will be fucked if you try learning the same notes. |
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skabone
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Posted: 2007-02-09 03:17 CEST | |
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this is how i did the opposite, learned trumpet from trombone. slde postion one... open 2...valve 2 3...valve 1 4...valves 1 and 2 5...valves 2 and 3 6...valves 1 and 3 7...valves 1, 2 and 3 once you memorize that, you just need to get the emrochure and get adjusted to the mouthpeice sizes and you are flying hope this helps cheers, alex 
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trumpeteer
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Posted: 2007-02-10 07:29 CEST | |
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are the notes the same? so position 2 is valve two therefore its a f# or a b? or are the tones the same.. |
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skabone
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Posted: 2007-02-13 01:32 CEST | |
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the notes are the same pitch, but an octave down on the trombone, on paper, trumpet notes are 2 semi tones up from trombone. hope this helps, alex
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Sander
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Posted: 2007-02-16 15:45 CEST | |
| if one of you can write this out clearly, preferrably with visual aid, i'll put it in the 'articles'-section! | ||
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WarpedRyan
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Posted: 2007-02-17 17:42 CEST | |
| I agree with Sander, this makes it sound so much easier! | ||
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skabone
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Posted: 2007-02-19 01:05 CEST | |
 this is a trombone slide postion chart with the nots that are in that position, each note up is a different partial, just like on trumpet. i am sure all of the people who are learning trombone who already know trupet know what the fingerings are. each slide postion is equivilant to the valves depressed stated here position valve(s) 1 open 2 2 3 1 4 1 and 2 5 2 and 3 6 1 and 3 7 1, 2 and 3 the notes will sound the same the same from trumpet to trombone, but the notes on a trombone are an octave lower than the trumpet. if you are writing or transposing music, the trupet is 2 semitones above the trombone(concert pitch) cheers, alex
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Treenaks
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Posted: 2007-02-20 14:34 CEST | |
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I used to play the trombone like that.. constantly calculating 'Uhr.. [base 1] + 2(=1) + 3(=3) = 5'. For every single note. On the fly. You do have to take care that the valves have a different value (based on their length): 2 = 1 1 = 2 3 = 3 It works.. sort of.. but it's too slow when you're playing a fast piece 
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skankin_toaster
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Posted: 2007-03-13 03:01 CEST | |
| Well, i unno. I'm currently learning trumpet, and i just figured it out without putting any relation to trombone at all. and I think i'm doing alright, I just reffer to finguring charts whenever i don't know summin, but this might be able to help with some stuff. | ||
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bmmets234
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Posted: 2007-04-07 21:58 CEST | |
im currently teaching myself how 2 play the trombone, its hard 2 get used 2 but eventually u get it 
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RCT2head
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Posted: 2007-04-12 19:02 CEST | |
| i dunno... my method was basically just picking one up after sittin next to the boners for so long... and after a few minutes on learning the Bb (1 octave) and F scales (2 octaves), i was good to go... of course it's taken about a year to develop to the point where it sounds somewhat decent... and i still ask whenever there's something odd i need a position for... of course when i play a regular tenor with no attachments | ||
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skajunkie
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Posted: 2007-04-15 05:31 CEST | |
| i've done a lot of trumpeting....started trombone with no instruction ....there are differences....i mean...i played for hours to learn .....practiced for hours to get the notes in tune... and didnt take any time at all to learn bass cleff....i really dont care.. i know the keys ..but i really only play ska and its like...i think of it in Bb treble ....so....if i dont practice i forget where the notes slot and it screws me up. but....really .....learn trombone from books or a teacher or something if you want to play like written music. if not.. just start practicing to get yer lips ready. and...air support. ha | ||
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RCT2head
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Posted: 2007-04-16 04:32 CEST | |
| yeah... the only problem is if you're thinking trumpet while playing bone, you're forgetting the transposition from Bb to C... clef is sorta irrelevant unless you were to write your music on a staff | ||
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skajunkie
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Posted: 2007-04-18 04:39 CEST | |
and....if you're writing your own music....you can write it in whatever cleff you please....chances are it'll start in C ...but...if you have tpt, bone, and tenor....well, nevermind....i love computer writing software! 
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RCT2head
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Posted: 2007-05-20 05:36 CEST | |
| thank god for automatic transposition... too bad i don't have enough $ to buy the full version, so i have to deal with the problem of bad sounds with right transposition and good sounds with everything untransposed... | ||
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BK
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Posted: 2007-09-08 16:28 CEST | |
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I've been playing trombone for 3 years now, and whenever any of my friends who play trumpet take a stab at my trombone, it seems to come very natural to them; in fact, since i play bass trombone, they often can play higher than I can. I've tried playing their trumpet, and it is much harder to change from trombone to trumpet than trumpet tgo trombone, in fact, you'll probably kick some ass. Hope I helped |
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trumpetgeek69
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Posted: 2008-05-02 00:03 CEST | |
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I have played trumpet for about 7 years now.... I started playing trombone last summer......Im one of the best trombone players in my school now..... I also the tromboner that plays the highest too.... and by the way....its easier to change from trumpet to trombone than from trombone to trumpet...cheers.... -trumpetgekk69
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skajunkie
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Posted: 2008-05-15 08:23 CEST | |
| funny story. i was playing a house party rockin on the bone the whole 40 minute show. the last song we played was like...a party/drinking song for the partiers. so i weitched horns with the trumpet player and we jammed it out. i was so surprised. i had done a lot of playing the last three days before the show. and....when i did that. i was hitting a bunch of Cs, Ds, and Fs. ...not so unusual to be playing them.....very freaky to be hitting with such accuracy after playing my lips out on trombone | ||
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billyrohnsen
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Posted: 2008-07-03 12:53 CEST | |
| just learn trombone from scratch. i picked up the positions in like 2 hours when i started it and it was my first brass instrument | ||