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Chryxz
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Posted: 2005-09-10 00:27 CEST | |
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Alright, I've been playing trumpet through my school for about 7 years now. My tone has improved a lot and I would really like to learn how to vibrato. I mean the actual way, not just moving the trumpet back and forth... And I do have a private teacher, but I'm really busy with him what with IMEA auditions coming up (Illinois Music Education Association) and I don't have enough lesson time to learn. If anyone can explain it a bit, that would be much appreciated. Peace Chris 
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Asian Man
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Posted: 2005-09-10 06:12 CEST | |
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"I would really like to learn how to vibrato. I mean the actual way, not just moving the trumpet back and forth... " That is another way of producing vibrato on trumpet, called the hand vibrato. I gently slightly add pressure to my lips when i move the trumpet back and forth. More is for the intensity of it and the faster you move it, the faster the speed. |
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Chryxz
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Posted: 2005-09-10 14:42 CEST | |
| I understand, but that has more of a rigid feel to it and isn't as pure. | ||
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marty
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Posted: 2005-09-11 16:20 CEST | |
| Just because it's not hard, doesn't mean that moving your hands back and forth isn't the actual way. A lot of players actually prefer it. | ||
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Chryxz
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Posted: 2005-09-11 18:32 CEST | |
| Alright, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to bash hand vibrato, but I'd like to learn how to do it the other ways. | ||
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Asian Man
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Posted: 2005-09-11 21:42 CEST | |
| the other way is by lowering your jaw a little and back up again. kinda like chewing gum. It's called the Jaw/lip vibrato but if you get good at both vibratos you should be able to make them sound exactly the same. | ||
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Chryxz
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Posted: 2005-09-12 00:24 CEST | |
| Isn't that the same as bending a note? If so, do you just bend it in an oscillating pattern? | ||
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Skek
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Posted: 2005-09-13 01:20 CEST | |
| My vibrato is usually all airflow. I don't know if that's generally recommended, but a couple of my teachers have said that my vibrato is one of my strengths, so I'm not gonna change my ways. | ||
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me
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Posted: 2005-10-13 02:38 CEST | |
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try vibratoing on an a, doesnt matter what octave using standard fingering, then slowly play chromatically up to an f. when you get there, increase the pressure on your lips. if your tone is good then you should get the start of a soft ringing. this type is better for classical type music. for hard jazz, rock and ska again on an a, move your fingers back and forth on the valves depending on how hard you want it. this is scrappier, but fits certain pieces. also a type of vibrato is double buzz. really razzy sound, great for rock to play all you have to do is press really hard on to the mouthpiece. practice it, you cant play it for very long at a time. Harry Angus is particulary good at it (from The Cat Empire) |
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Kay
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Posted: 2005-10-24 03:50 CEST | |
| The correct way to play vibrato, is to use your diaphragm. It's hard to explain, but if you stand up and take a deep breath, then exhale while pressing on your diaphragm repeatedly thats how. I used to play flute, and learned vibrato on that, then it just transfered over to my trumpet playing. Vibrato is a lot harder on brass instruments, so I wish you luck. | ||
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Trumpeteer
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Posted: 2005-11-20 05:48 CEST | |
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i vibrato by a way that i figured out and it works really well. the trick is to open and close your throat at waht ever speed you wish. its like moveing your adams apple up and down. its kinda hard at first but in good time you get used to it and it sounds great! |
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Dizzy
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Posted: 2005-11-21 06:52 CEST | |
me wrote:also a type of vibrato is double buzz. really razzy sound, great for rock to play all you have to do is press really hard on to the mouthpiece. practice it, you cant play it for very long at a time. Harry Angus is particulary good at it (from The Cat Empire) I listen to a lot of "The Cat Empire" and have heard Harry play quite a few times both live and recorded. I think I know the effect you mean but its certainly not vibrato. Harry is growling. A double buzz is a term used when two parts of the embouchure buzz at the same time. (not wanted) Harry growls, I can get the same sound with a hard rough flutter tongue. I have seen him play big shakes and he will shake the horn quite a bit. I was just a bit confused when you said "all you have to do is press really hard on the mouthpiece" that to me doesn't sound like a good idea no matter what effect your trying. maybe thats why "you can't play it for very long at a time" Keep listen to the cat empire - best band ever! |
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Dizzy
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Posted: 2005-11-21 07:05 CEST | |
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I'll have a try at the original question now. To my knowledege they're three ways to do vibrato. Hand Lips / Jaw Air I used to do hand when I first started to use vibarto (much like yourself) but I now use lips/jaw. I can't tell you exacly the movement I do just experiment. Try playing a long tone, then slowly add some vibrato then try to speed it up and slow it down and stop it all while holding the same note. If you can do that you learn some control over it. I dont like air vibrato, its sounds choppy to me (when I do it) How does your hand vibrato sound? If is good then play a little with that get the sound in your head and try to reproduce with lip / jaw vibrato. Make sure you listen to music with vibrato used in it to know how it sounds! Not just trumpet either, violins, classical voice (don't overlook this point) You should ask your private teacher about it. I know your busy, but seeing and hearing it is far better than getting advice from some random dude (me) over the internet. Good luck - be sure to revisit this thread and let us know how you when with it. PS - A couple of other thoughts, Miles Davis NEVER used vibrato. When he was young a teacher told him he would get old and start shaking anyway. There is not point working on vibrato if you dont have a clear, stable, in tune sound. Think of vibrato as icing on the cake, get a good tasty cake first, then ice it! |
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me
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Posted: 2005-11-23 09:28 CEST | |
Dizzy wrote:me wrote:also a type of vibrato is double buzz. really razzy sound, great for rock to play all you have to do is press really hard on to the mouthpiece. practice it, you cant play it for very long at a time. Harry Angus is particulary good at it (from The Cat Empire) Flutter tongue for double buzz eh? havent heard that one before. my teacher got all angry at me for playing double buzz!! when you see the empire live, harry really shakes his trumpet so i presumed it was a type of vibrato! also if anybody could tab the rythm id be incredibly grateful! go me. 
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Dizzy
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Posted: 2005-11-24 05:45 CEST | |
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When you hear the note harry shake his trumpet on, he is changing pitch, like a lip trill but much move violent. It would be so much easier if I could just show you what i mean. |
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4thFitz
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Posted: 2005-11-27 03:56 CEST | |
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Jaw vibrato is what I personally think has the best sound, but if you are looking for some real rapid fire vibrato action, you could try a head vibrato. It does indeed sound like a terrible idea, and a lot of people cant do it, but if you lock your jaw and then put as much force on it as you can (it is hard to explain) you jaw will stay still and your head will vibrate back and forth both fast AND regular in speed. Crazy, I know, but try it. |
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Asian Man
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Posted: 2005-11-30 03:42 CEST | |
| Dizzy, that type of trill is called a shake and is used in mainly jazz a lot with brass. | ||
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trumpetplayerofdoom
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Posted: 2006-02-11 04:21 CEST | |
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for my vibrato, if i want it really really fast (or moderate) i use just tonguing, sort of(very specific, isnt it ) well, i tongue as if i am rolling an r, but over and over again, really fast. if i want to slow it down again, i just tighten and loosen my lips(while staying on the same note). its kinda hard to explain, its almost like kissing the mouthpiece, but not the same....
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trumpetplayerofdoom
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Posted: 2006-02-11 04:22 CEST | |
| oh ya and for the fast vibrato i do it against the top of my mouth just above my teeth. | ||
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Asian Man
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Posted: 2006-02-12 19:22 CEST | |
| that doesn't sound like a vibrato you're doing. | ||
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Spaminator 3000
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Posted: 2006-02-17 03:06 CEST | |
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trumpetplayerofdoom, yeah I agree with Asian Man: that sounds like flutter-tounguing or growling, as Dizzy mentioned above. Flutter-tounguing sounds sort of like crossing a machine gun with your trumpet. Dizzy is right; there are three main ways to get vibrato. Like Kay, I personally prefer air vibrato. To achieve this, try gently bouncing your abdomen as you exhale (you can try it without your horn first to get the basic idea). This should result in a pattern of regular fluctuations in your breath, sort of like whispering "hoo-hoo-hoo..." As you get more control in this, it won't be necessary to bounce your abdomen any more. I've done this for about 3 yrs now, and I can now do it very smoothly. To do hand vibrato, just wiggle your trumpet up and down while playing. I don't care for hand vibrato as much because it encourages me to press the mouthpiece into my lips. It also sounds choppy to me, but this could just be because I haven't practiced it much. To do jaw vibrato, say "Yie, yie, yie..." or "Yah, yah, yah..." as you play. Jaw vibrato tends to change my embouchre as I'm playing, so I don't like it very much either. In the higher range, I sometimes slip down to a note below (e.g. from G to E open). It also sounds too uneven when I do this, but it's probably because I haven't practiced this method much either. In short, do whatever works. Try one technique for a while and if you don't like how it sounds, try another method. However, I've tried them all and can't see anything that would make one definitively "better" than another. Sorry this was so long.
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kitkat
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Posted: 2006-03-13 23:55 CEST | |
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Growling is done in the top of the throat; relax the muscles when exhaling, add a bit of wobble and should get the idea, quite hard to perfect, but easier with the lower notes. kit
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