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| Trombone: | 326 |
| Alto Sax: | 227 |
| Tenor Sax: | 114 |
| Baritone Sax: | 15 |
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Sleipnir
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Posted: 2005-11-10 01:46 CEST | |
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This is driving me insane. SM has 2 saxophones, a trumpet and a trombone. But at the begining of Everything Went Numb I hear Bari, then Bari + Tenor(I think) and then, Bari + Tenor + Alto + Trumpet. I'm really confused. I'm trying to write. I can't figure out the instrumentation for the song. Does anybody know what it is or have a video of a performance so I could figure it out? The more I lsited the more I get confused. Thanks, -Slep |
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BaRi FrEaKiN sAx
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Posted: 2005-11-10 01:53 CEST | |
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Your right its bari then tenor joins then alto and trumpet |
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Kevin
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Posted: 2005-11-11 02:56 CEST | |
| I had noticed it before but I was like whatever but it definately is 3 saxes. That is pretty sweet. They only have two saxes but I guess for recording they threw in another one. 3 saxes is a good number, they really should have it permanately along with a permanent clarinet. | ||
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Melvin
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Posted: 2005-12-21 03:22 CEST | |
| dan plays the alto and bari | ||
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Silent Rip
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Posted: 2005-12-21 03:30 CEST | |
| Is it plausible to think he quickly switches saxes during the song? (I mean like when they play this live...they easily could have done it in the studio.) | ||
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BandGeek
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Posted: 2006-01-07 00:11 CEST | |
| There is a video of everything went numb by streetlight manifesto here. http://www.youtube.com/?v=PT4iSteyzcU | ||
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SoulRegatta
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Posted: 2006-07-11 20:02 CEST | |
| they record each person individually and mix the tracks after everyone is done. btw both strl mfto saxes can play alto | ||
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barimaphone
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Posted: 2006-10-05 19:29 CEST | |
its way too hard to switch between bari and alto in the middle of a song...i've tried. i think ross plays bari and conti plays alto live...tenor is just an added studio bonus 
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Altosaxest92
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Posted: 2007-04-08 16:37 CEST | |
no........no no no no.........they is 2 saxophonests........1 trumpiteer......and 1 trombonest. why you hear a bari alto and tenor sax is simple........bari and alto are in the same key meaning they sound the same on any note so the bari player could easily just octave the note and still have that low but high sounding note kind alike a multiphonic but not really but it's an easy mistake no worrys mate =)  
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Hi-iH
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Posted: 2007-04-08 20:23 CEST | |
| What? It wouldnt sound at all like an alto | ||
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Altosaxest92
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Posted: 2007-04-09 20:36 CEST | |
| yeah it would bari play an octave down from alto so in music theory bari sax on octave would sound like alto with no octave key on | ||
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skajunkie
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Posted: 2007-04-10 05:21 CEST | |
| i think i get that. ...but...i saw a band cover this. only a tenor player...with pretty good sound. seriously, if you're doing it live...it's like..less than ten seconds or something. do whatever works. i mean...if you really need it, you could get a trombone to play the lowest ..or..anything. the thing about covers is that they are originally made for only one band. and, you cant really take any song to another band without a little arrangement adjustment. and the differences between live and studio ...so big. it's not about being perfect..it's about playing music | ||
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Hi-iH
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Posted: 2007-04-14 04:48 CEST | |
| a bari doesnt sound like an alto when played up the octave. It might be tuned an octave lower, but it doesn't sound like an alto. | ||
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Altosaxest92
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Posted: 2007-04-17 19:47 CEST | |
| fine, if you refuse to beileve the truth, then the bari-est from st also plays alto right? so in recordings he also plays alto and in concert they just have the recorded part play through the amps also | ||
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WrightSaxes
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Posted: 2007-05-02 00:35 CEST | |
| Streetlight doesn't play any recorded stuff at their shows. | ||
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Savage
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Posted: 2007-06-18 17:00 CEST | |
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Bari played an octave up definitely DOES NOT sound the same as an alto. Bari has a very growly tone, and although you're right, they would be the exact same pitches, the tone would be miles off. Also, I personally know that the opening line for Bari and Alto goes: A A A FGE, and we all know that the comfortable range for a sax only has 2 A's in it, so in order to play the Bari for that last alto line (or for most of the rest of the song because there are 3 saxes throughout the whole thing) the Bari would have to be playing altissimo A, which, although possible would sound NOTHING!!!!! like an alto. Sorry Altosaxes, I don't mean to be so blunt with the capitals and all, but I highly disagree. It's very possible that they just hired a ringer for the recording, but if they did do it amongst the band, then you'll notice that the trombone seems to get lost for basically the whole song except for his solo at the "right and wrong" part. If the trombonist somehow picked up sax, then perhaps he's the mystery alto sax (or more likely the tenor, and the original tenor player plays alto). That's probably not true, especially for the recording, since they would get a one of their full time saxes to do it, but they would be able to pull it off live if the trombonist could play sax. In the link BandGeek posted the trombonist plays the alto part on trombone, maybe they just decided that alto would sound better for the recording. Anyway, I've written the full horn part out for this, I used Trumpet, Trombone, Alto, Tenor, Bari, just to get the parts straight, but the only time the trombone is playing is it's solo part. If anyone is looking to cover this song, there are really only 4 main parts, and the trombone solo. Bari (which is the same as alto an octave down in some parts), Tenor and Alto (which have the same rhythms, but always harmonize), and Trumpet (which is the same as alto an octave up in some parts). skajunkie mention you could get a trombone to play the lowest or anything, well I would do just that, if your band has a trombone (which it should, they're very handy) then have him (or her) play the alto or tenor part. If you only have 3 horns, leave out the Tenor line, it's a harmony, so it will take away from the song, but not as much as if you were missing that Bari part. Trumpet can play the trumpet part, someone can play the alto part, and someone can play the Bari part. |
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m0ntekarl01
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Posted: 2008-02-11 05:54 CEST | |
| what it is, is that at the beginning of the song, the bari starts off in your right ear, then the mix goes stereo, and the bari is in both ears, then the bari is in both ears, but doubled by an alto, up two octaves from what the bari is playing (the bari is in its low register, the alto is in its high, the alto is an octave above the bari) then the trumpet comes in, | ||
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Savage
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Posted: 2008-02-12 13:40 CEST | |
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Ok, after actually listening to each speaker and each saxophone separately, I have concluded that it is in fact: 1)Bari starting on A2 2)Bari starting on A1, Tenor starting on D1 (Bari A2) 3)Bari starting on A1, Tenor starting on F2 (Bari C3, Alto C2), Alto starting on A2 (not the same as Bari A2, since Alto has no low A) 4)"Daaaaah dadadah" (I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, right before the trumpet comes in) Bari starting on F1, Tenor starting on F2 (Bari C3, Alto C2), Alto starting on A2. Anyway, there is no doubt in my mind that there are 3 sax parts present at the same time. Not 2 saxes switching notes, not just stereo sound (although it is a nice stereo effect, Bari starts in the right ear, then goes an octave down and to the left ear while the tenor comes in with the exact same note [octave and everything, although the line is a little different, just the last 3 notes] that the bari just played). How they did it, I don't know. They could have recorded another line, got another sax to do it (doubtful I think), maybe one of the sax players knows how to play 2 at once (it is possible, I'm not very good at it, but I can do it, and I have seen David Coffin (Bella Fleck and the Flecktones) do it live in concert)(even more doubtful since the fingerings would not allow anyone to actually play 2 of the lines at once). My guess is that while they were recording, they decided to throw another line in for whatever reason. How they pull it off in concerts is up to them. On a side note, there are actually 3 consistent, distinct saxophone parts throughout the whole song, listen carefully, it's hard to hear the tenor, but I'm 99.9% sure it's there (and only because 100% is technically impossible without actually being part of the band). If you're having trouble, listen to the bari exclusively and when you hear quarter notes (once near the beginning "...the black hat man never wins in the end so...", and once closer to the end [maybe 3/4 through roughly] listen for the alto line, and then listen a 3rd up [which is actually a 6th down but it's easier to hear listening up for it] you should be able to hear another sax line that's not the alto, but can't be the bari, since it is playing the quarter notes). Like, I said, I'm 99.9% sure of this, and if anyone wants to challenge, or clarify anything, you're more than welcome to. I also have this song transcribed for sheet music, so if you want that, or if you STILL can't hear the tenor line and would like to (or want to tell me I'm crazy), send me a message savager_11@hotmail.com but be ready for a strong defense if you're trying to tell me the tenor isn't there. Hope this helps. Savage |
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Faulk
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Posted: 2008-02-12 14:05 CEST | |
Savage, you have way too much time on your hands.
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Savage
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Posted: 2008-02-13 14:06 CEST | |
What can I say? I'm here to help, and clear things up. I actually don't have that much time on my hands according to my many half-finished projects and sheet music I haven't tabbed yet, some of which people have asked for, gahh  sorry to everyone waiting on stuff from me. The listening took all of 15min, and to clear up something that has been going on for more than 2 years, that's not a lot of time off my day...I didn't actually take that comment as literally as my post suggests  . Oh well.
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barimaphone
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Posted: 2008-02-26 20:16 CEST | |
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OK. CLEARING THIS UP ONCE AND FOR ALL. CD IS DIFFERENT FROM LIVE. DAN ROSS RECORDED BARI AND ALTO ON THE ALBUM. JIM CONTI PLAYED TENOR, BUT DID NOT RECORD EGN (according to wikipedia) LIVE, DAN ROSS (NOW REPLACED BY MIKE BROWN), PLAYED BARI, AND JIM CONTI PLAYS MAINLY TENOR AND SOMETIMES ALTO. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY THREE SAX PARTS WITH TWO SAXISTS. THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T HEAR THREE SAX PARTS LIVE. end thread. |
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