| Trumpet: | 1218 |
| Trombone: | 336 |
| Alto Sax: | 236 |
| Tenor Sax: | 120 |
| Baritone Sax: | 16 |
| Other horns: | 4 |
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Kradrats
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Posted: 2006-02-23 02:37 CEST | |
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Release date isn't to far in the future, It's a alright, his voice sounds different and there is some different solos. |
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SeverFire
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Posted: 2006-02-23 05:48 CEST | |
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Awexome, do you think you could post a link (if it's on the web)? I came across a supposedly "leaked" MP3 clip of Keasbey Nights from the new album, but it was full of static. His voice did sound different though. I'd post the link, but it "expired" (it was one fo theose file-hosting websites.) |
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Kradrats
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Posted: 2006-02-23 08:09 CEST | |
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i'm sure it's not allowed to post the link on the forum but you could message me on aim. My screen name is Scottdog4x |
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Soupie
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Posted: 2006-02-23 21:58 CEST | |
| I have heard the new songs and I personally like them -- they seem different and they did put some amazing solos in and Tomas sings different I like it it is still blazingly fast but you can hear the lyrics. It all seams Surreal.... You can find the full album already Iunno where tho | ||
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Kradrats
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Posted: 2006-02-24 01:19 CEST | |
| uhh, you could message me on aim as I said above if you want it. | ||
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Kevin
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Posted: 2006-02-24 06:25 CEST | |
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Mmmkay so I just listened to the whole things and here is how I feel. It was basically what I expected, it was the same old stuff with a saxier horn section. I will be the first to admit that I am not a big fan of the album and that includes the original. All the songs are pretty much the same but I like them less. Firstly, I don't feel that the horn section suits the music the same as the original horn section did. Yes, I just said that I liked it better when they burried the saxophone and had a blaring trumpet + trombone to the max [and I play the saxophone and love the saxophone and am not a big fan of trumpet so this is a big statement for me] The trumpet is too clean and the tone is not blaring enough and the music doesn't really suit the tone of the now strong saxophones. Overall, it was too clean and just sounded too processed and that goes beyond the horns. It was really nothing special. And the whole thing at the end was completely retarded and I felt like hitting something because it just got damn annoying. The highlight of the who album was the rocking sax solo in "This one goes out..." I think the problem was the fact that the sound was very professional but I don't feel that the songs suit that professional of a sound. I don't think the songs are as professional as the players. And I still think it is retarded that Tom recorded the same album twice. And I still don't understand why every loves Tom so much but I will give him one thing, he was definately more audible in this album but that goes along with the over all over-polished comment. p.s. Kradrats, ignore my email. as you can tell I ended up finding it. |
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Kradrats
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Posted: 2006-02-24 06:58 CEST | |
Kevin wrote:Mmmkay so I just listened to the whole things and here is how I feel. It was basically what I expected, it was the same old stuff with a saxier horn section. I will be the first to admit that I am not a big fan of the album and that includes the original. All the songs are pretty much the same but I like them less. Firstly, I don't feel that the horn section suits the music the same as the original horn section did. Yes, I just said that I liked it better when they burried the saxophone and had a blaring trumpet + trombone to the max [and I play the saxophone and love the saxophone and am not a big fan of trumpet so this is a big statement for me] The trumpet is too clean and the tone is not blaring enough and the music doesn't really suit the tone of the now strong saxophones. Overall, it was too clean and just sounded too processed and that goes beyond the horns. It was really nothing special. And the whole thing at the end was completely retarded and I felt like hitting something because it just got damn annoying. The highlight of the who album was the rocking sax solo in "This one goes out..." I think the problem was the fact that the sound was very professional but I don't feel that the songs suit that professional of a sound. I don't think the songs are as professional as the players. And I still think it is retarded that Tom recorded the same album twice. And I still don't understand why every loves Tom so much but I will give him one thing, he was definately more audible in this album but that goes along with the over all over-polished comment. Man, well put. They messed up some of my favorite solos, espceially in walking away, and kristina. Though 9mm is a lot better this time around. But like you said, the trumpet was really 'clean' and it was kind of annoying. I choose the 1st version over this one but this doesn't mean the album is bad. heres my post about this on a different forum (V = Version) Which versions I felt were better : 1.Dear Sergio - V2 2.Sick and Sad - V2 3.Keasbey Nights - V1 4.Day in Day out - V2 5.Walking Away - V1 6.Giving up Giving In - V1 7.On On On - V1 8.Riding the fourth wave - V1 9.This one goes out to... - V2 10.Supernothing - V2 11.9mm And A Three Piece Suit - V2 12.Kristina She don't Know I exist - V1 13.As the footsteps Die out forever - V1 14.12341234 - V1 IMO - Version 1 is better, but the differences in some of the songs are that made me give the win to V1 are so suttle that I could listen to either one and be fine. some version 2 songs got the win just because I liked the fact that there was more brass instruments some version 1 songs got the win just because instead of group singing, Tomas Kalanoky would sing over himself thanks to the modern day technology. |
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Kradrats
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Posted: 2006-02-24 07:01 CEST | |
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and I hated that, I'm a fan of the group singing and most of it was just wacky and tomas screaming. |
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Kevin
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Posted: 2006-02-24 23:00 CEST | |
| I haven't gone throught and actually decided what ones I like better but I know I derfinately did not like the new Dear Sergio. My favorite version is the BBOTAR one and when they tried to give the really sweet french horn riff to the alto I straight out laughed. I think the new one sounds like a retro alien invasion background music. I personally don't like the new one as much. I just don't like the core sound of the horn section with the music. I feel that music is very conditional to time and reflects the life that the composer(s) at that time and also the skills of the composers. I do not feel that Keasby Nights is still relevant and especially not with Streetlight Manifesto. They are all better musicians than that and on this album I don't feel they are playing to their full potential and as a result doing no justice for themselves. I also feel that it is retarded how he totally re-did an album. I think it's retarded and whenever I told anyone this about the "new" album today they thought it was retarded. I told them a story about a guy named Thomas and they thought Tom was stupid for doing what he did. I can not find justification for the remake on the album because it's not like the first Keasby Nights was a load of shit. It was actually pretty good [and it pains me to say that]. The difference was not great enough in my opinion and I think they wasted a load of time producing something that wasn't necissary. They can do better and as musicians, they should be striving for better. I think Thomas took a step back with this album and all I wanted was to see him to go forward. I would like to see more BOTAR because I would say that that has been his best work so far. | ||
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SeverFire
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Posted: 2006-02-25 09:14 CEST | |
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Kradrats, I'm assuming you don't need me to send you the leaked Keasbey Nights, seeing as the whole album is leaked now? I posted my opinion of the album in the General Discussion part of the forum; I had pretty much the same first reaction as you guys... a little (or a lot) disappointed. Now that I've listened to the whole thing, I think I could summarize by saying this: I like the musical-ness (if that's a word) of it (probably more than the original in most songs), but I just don't think they played it as well as they could have. If it had been full-blown professionals playing the music, then I think the music would have been amazing due to great lyrical and musical writing. But everybody just sounded weak, and I don't like Delano's (the trumpeter) tone at all. It sounds all pinched off compared to Kevin Gunther (Catch 22's trumpeter back then). There's my 2 cents. |
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Kradrats
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Posted: 2006-02-25 22:33 CEST | |
SeverFire wrote:Kradrats, I'm assuming you don't need me to send you the leaked Keasbey Nights, seeing as the whole album is leaked now? Huh?I never needed it. |
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SeverFire
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Posted: 2006-02-25 22:58 CEST | |
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Ok, disregard my comment about Delano's trumpet playing, because it's supposedly still James Egan playing... Maybe, I don't know. I still think it could have been a little better though. And sorry bout that Kradrats, I misunderstood; I thought you wanted me to send you the leaked KN song I had for some reason. Yeah, it must've my 12 hours of sleep stretched over 3 days kicking in there... 
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skankin_toaster
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Posted: 2006-04-30 01:42 CEST | |
| now, i like streetlight manifesto and all, but one random question, what commpled them to cover an entire catch 22 album o.O? | ||
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SeverFire
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Posted: 2006-04-30 02:20 CEST | |
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Tomas (and about half the guys) from Streetlight originally formed Catch 22, and wrote Keasbey Nights. But after that one album, a bunch of people left, and Tomas formed Streetlight Manifesto. (So it's not a cover, it's a remake.) Supposedly the main reason they redid it was because they thought the original sounded like "pure garbage" soundwise. I've heard that they did it also so that they can play songs from KN at shows without getting bagged by Catch 22 or something. |
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skankin_toaster
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Posted: 2006-04-30 04:05 CEST | |
ahh, thanx for clearing that one up, i knew tomas used to be in catch 22, but i just didnt see the purpose of it ^_^ 
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RCT2head
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Posted: 2006-04-30 04:12 CEST | |
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well i dunno much bout the histories of both bands past the basics, but i'd hafta say, i prefer, on a whole, the sm version all the solos are much more defined and possibly better, although it's hard to determine which solo can truly be better, as they are extensions of a person's feelings and such at the time of recording... i agree that the reduction of the chorused verses to just tomas overdubbed kinda sucks, but i believe that was probably done since the musicians for sm have real jobs as well as sm, they just didn't have time to bring in everyone to record the sing-along choruses... either that or the concentration was shifted more towards rewriting parts, and they figured that the sing-along would come at the shows... either way, the sm version is much better... the only major problem i have is that 1234 1234 still has that really long speech at the end... kn1 it was just a long thank-you, and now it's a long interveiw explaining why it was redone... either way, it's not really music more than overdubbing vocals onto re-recorded bassline |
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SeverFire
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Posted: 2006-05-01 01:11 CEST | |
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Soundwise, I think the original sounds just as good, if not maybe better than the SM version actually; but probably just because on the new version, the trumpet always sounds clipped to me, and the hornline doesn't sound as crisp or something... they sound a little muted. And I agree, listening to all the Thank-Yous instead of the computer voices is much more entertaining. But music-wise, I like things from both albums. For the solos though, it's kind of hard for me not to stick with liking the originals. |
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RCT2head
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Posted: 2006-05-02 00:09 CEST | |
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well just takin a look @ riding the 4th, the solo's a lot more intense for the bone part... triplet 16th or 32nds... is insane... but i think u kinda missed my point with 1234 1234... i kinda wish they did what was done with the live version, without the overecorded bassline and vocals... but with maybe a hornline outtro... but i do belive the mutes helped define the sound more... before, it was all splatty... now it's a bit cleaner... but they're both kinda hard to compare just cause they're 2 seperate groups of ppl to perform it...
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monomaniacs
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Posted: 2006-05-04 00:52 CEST | |
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Well I must say that I'm a big fan of tom and I can't say that the new keasby is better or not. Sometimes the drums sound a bit strange compared to the old but it doesn't matter. I like some parts of the songs more and some less. But what confuses me is the interview. you can't really understand the deep voice... I couldn't(maybe because of my weird english?) I think it's more easily to tab the guitar parts. It's also a great album but the problem is that everyone compares it to the old. I think the old one is still the hammer but the new is more erm? just more streetlight. you can't say it better.
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