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Trumpet Playing Cellini
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Posted: 2006-03-01 23:27 CET | |
| how does it work? and if someone knows, could they possibly teach me? or does someone have 2 teach me in person? please if someone could gimme the low down on it that would be grand. | ||
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Joefahey
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Posted: 2006-03-01 23:59 CET | |
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This a great little trick to have, but it takes a LOT of practice...especially if you want to get in enough air to attack some notes with some power. I'm sure there are multiple ways, but the way found out myself was to push the air out of your mouth by pushing the air out by pressure with your cheeks. While you do this, breathe in through the nose. This way doesn't give me too much air quickly, but it can work to a certain extent. The best way it to someone get it through your mouth with that technique of pushing the air out while breathing from the corner of your mouth. I am yet to learn this from my teacher since he has been gone. He has all sorts of tricks, like playing 3 notes at the same time...anyone know how to do that? ANYWAYS, the nose technique I described works to a certain extent, but doesn't give as much good air as you would like. One question though, do you have a trumpet teacher? Because it is MUCH easier to be taught this from a teacher, prefered to be told online, as with most techniques. Anyways, good luck, and hopefull others will post better techniques. |
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Trumpet Playing Cellini
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Posted: 2006-03-04 09:58 CET | |
| yes I do except that he would've taught me how 2 by now, but I'll ask him. thnx dude. | ||
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Reid
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Posted: 2006-03-06 04:17 CET | |
| Woah, 3 notes at a time? Explain! | ||
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skabone
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Posted: 2006-03-07 05:37 CET | |
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hey Joefahey i am a trombone player, but when i sometimes circular breathe (very seldomly) i do the nose thing, and it works really good, but after i do it for a while, my face hurts like a mother fucker, also, im pretty sure thats how Dizzy Gilespie does it, because you always see him playin long passages with his cheeks puffed out like crazy alex 
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Dizzy
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Posted: 2006-03-07 11:11 CET | |
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I don't think Dizzy ever did circular breathing. His cheeks were always puffed out. If he was circular breathing you'd see his cheeks go in then puff back out. I think the muscle in his face streached so far out he wouldn't have been able to pull them in even if he wanted to. Dizzy could play long phrases because he was a monster player!!! |
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marty
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Posted: 2006-03-08 02:06 CET | |
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The method I learned from a great baritone sax player is one of simple coordination. As you're blowing out, leave enough air in your cheeks so you could breathe in and blow that air (in the cheeks) out in the same time span. But practice it without a mouthpiece on your face. Just become proficient at doing it by yourself. Next, add a free lip buzz to it. Once you can do that, add the mouthpiece. One thing he said (Dave Mott is his name by the way) is that he only practiced it for FIVE minutes a day. But those five minutes were concentrated on that and only that. |
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Dizzy
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Posted: 2006-03-08 09:03 CET | |
| You can try and blow bubbles in a glass of water with a straw, then practise circular breathing (as explained above) Try to keep the bubbles going when breathing in | ||
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gundarr
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Posted: 2006-03-14 02:30 CET | |
| i can curculate breathing easily....what i did was put water in my mouth and breathe out of my mouth and in through my nose.....but you can't cheat and use your cheeks...it has to be you breathing out....my friend taught me this....and now we have a contest to see how long we can go....my record is 12 minutes b4 i get bored.....he caught himself on video doing it for 34 minutes...he's freakin nuts....although i don't no y he did that....put we've been playing the trumpet for 14 years now and we are some of the sickess players you have ever seen.... | ||
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SeverFire
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Posted: 2006-03-16 06:02 CET | |
| You've been playing trumpet since age 2? | ||
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marty
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Posted: 2006-03-16 17:46 CET | |
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The wonders of the internet. While it is a cool trick, there's no point of using it in jazz while you're improvising. Jazz is vocal music, and all the horn players are just trying to imitate vocalists in their style. Hell, it would just sound boring if you didn't breathe. Gundarr, I should be calling you a lying sack of shit right now, but I'm not. I'm just gonna say this: Get off the trumpet, grab the didgeridoo. |
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Dizzy
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Posted: 2006-03-18 01:31 CET | |
gundarr wrote:but you can't cheat and use your cheeks...it has to be you breathing out Really? So are able to both breath out and in at the same time? So in your wind pipe to your lungs there is air going up and down (out and in) at the same time. So your diaphragm (which sucks air into your lungs by pulling down) is going both down (to suck air in) and up to let the air out at the same time! Dude you must have some amazing control over your own body. Im calling you out on this on. It is impossible. You must use your cheeks. So when your breathing in that is only direction of air flow in your air pipe and lungs, then the out breath comes from your cheeks. This only need to happen for as long as it takes to get a breath, then you go back to blowing from the lungs. gundarr wrote: we are some of the sickess players you have ever seen.... Really? I haven't seen you. What professional bands/recording can I find you on? |
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Kevin
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Posted: 2006-03-21 03:16 CET | |
| Mmmkay so I am finding the whole circular breathing thing really really hard. I just have enough control over my cheeks and the second I start releasing the air it all goes out to quick and I just cannot breath that fast. I tried with a straw in water with decent success but I need a bigger straw for me to actually apply this technique. I'm applying it to a didgeridoo and those things need alot of air. I have a really powerfull set of lungs currently but I know that I cannot go further as a didge player without mastering this technique. I sing and play the sax so I can do all of the tonguing and diaphram pulses and some pretty damn sweet vocal stuff but without the circular breathing I am nothing really. I just get so frustrated whenever I try to attempt it so I was wondering if anyone has like a baby step kind of method where I can master one thing before I move on to the next stage and at some point I will have it. I wouldn't say that I am hopeless, I just need alot of work so any advice would be greatly appreciated. | ||
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Dizzy
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Posted: 2006-03-24 06:58 CET | |
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I think that circular breathing on trumpet (or sax - this is the trumpet forum) would be quite different to the didgeridoo. On a trumpet (or sax) you have a tiny little hole the air goes through (mouthpiece) where as the didgeridoo is quite big. You would get no help at all from the didgeridoo because i'd imagine it would suck the air right out of you. Can you circular breath on the sax? I think that would be a good step towards mastering it on the didgeridoo. Also you might have better luck finding some info on site that are dedicated to the didgeridoo, not brass instruments. Good luck. |
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Kevin
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Posted: 2006-03-24 22:22 CET | |
| One can circular breath on the sax. Kenny G does it. But Kenny G plays a Soprano Sax. I have a very open mouthpiece so I have to put a load of air through that aswell. The didgeridoo is like 5 cm across-ish but it just keeps opening up. The basics of circular breathing are universal so the same stuff applies to all. And with the didgeridoo You have buzz so it is simular, but the note is just alot lower and such. Everything I have found on Circular Breathing has said just about the same thing so I was wondering if any of you had some tips you have learned through experience. I just have to apply it to a different instrument that is beiiger and needs more air. | ||
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Dizzy
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Posted: 2006-03-25 01:06 CET | |
Kevin wrote:One can circular breath on the sax. I meant can you personally do it? If not, maybe try and get it going on the sax first. Might help. |
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Kevin
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Posted: 2006-03-25 02:16 CET | |
| Yeah, I know what you meant. I'll give it a try but playing the sax with cheeks puffed out isn't always the best for your tone and I think I am putting just as much air down my sax as I am the didgeridoo. The sax is really open. But yes, thanks anyway. I shall try somethings out. | ||
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SkaterZCD
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Posted: 2006-04-02 22:44 CET | |
| Elliott if you learn how to do this u gotta teach me sometime ive been trying to do this for years and still cant get it lol | ||
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skanksta'
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Posted: 2006-07-13 04:31 CET | |
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The "straw-in-glass-of-water" technique helped me pretty well. |
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CHStrumpet
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Posted: 2006-08-30 23:30 CET | |
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alright guys, look i haven't been playing trumpet for 10 years or w/e but i do know a little about it...and my trumpet teacher is amazing...hes done movies and a ton of big names...(email me if you want some info on him)...he started a group with 5 trumpets...im one of them...i'm 2nd trumpet...i'm in 10th grade...you'll hear about us soon we're awesome...anyway he can circular breathe for a very long time...and he doens't puff out his cheeks at all! i dno how to do it but i will soon sorry for all the talkin bout him 
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