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Faulk
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Posted: 2006-03-30 06:46 CET | |
Howdy y'all. So what's the general view on music pirating?(that's like burning CDs and downloading songs and stuff)I aint gonna be lecturing about what's right and wrong and all that, I'm just interested to hear some opinions 
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Jpst
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Posted: 2006-03-30 19:15 CET | |
i need download music becouse in my contry , Chile, the cds no are in the shops theys dont gave of skacore etc..  sorry my inglish xD
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skaman31689
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Posted: 2006-03-30 20:13 CET | |
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Arrr... I be a pirate me maties! Yeah, I'll download music. Usually torrent-style just so I can get the entire album at the same quality and whatnot. I don't mind the idea of file sharing, but if I love the band, like I usually do when I do it, I'll eventually go out and buy their stuff. It's more of a convienience thing really. I don't know. If the band doesn't want you to do it, and goes out of their way to tell you so on their site or something, I won't. Just out of respect for the band.
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Kevin
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Posted: 2006-03-31 02:49 CET | |
| Yar me matees. I be one aswell. Thats how I find bands and when I have money to spare on CDs I'll go out and get something that I know I will enjoy. I download alot but whatever. I also listen to alot of more obscure stuff from Europe and other places and finding CDs is really hard. I'm actually getting my friend in Switzerland to find as much ska as she can and put it on cds for me. It's easier that way. It's convienience. If CDs were $5 I would buy tons all the time but CDs are a little more expensive than that so as a consumer I don't want to waste my money on something I wouldn't enjoy. If I burn a CD and not like it I can just get rid of it without caring [infact my friend and I ran over the Keasby Nights by Streetlight that I burned because we couldn't stand it any more] I don't have money to throw around so I am not going to waste it on CDs I wont enjoy. | ||
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Faulk
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Posted: 2006-04-02 05:35 CET | |
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Hmmm... My opinion on this is kind of complicated. I agree with skaman31689, I always respect the band and would eventually buy the album. I can also relate to Kevin, I don't have a lot of money to spend on CDs and even if I did it's damn hard to find ska and other quality stuff around so downloading is really convenient. I've got a friend who I 'borrow' mp3s from so that I can 'sample' bands and then go and buy what I like. And sometimes if a CD has gone out of print or something, I imagine that the band would probably rather you pirate it for yourself with the hope of you buying future albums. But my main priority is always respect for the band, especially if it's a local/underground band. But in Jpst's situation hell, go for it. So that's my opinion, but you scoundrels do what yer like, the harsh ocean be big enough for all us
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Jpst
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Posted: 2006-04-02 16:56 CET | |
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i think pirate is mean copy music of internet and sell them , but download music for listen is okey for me. :trumpet:
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Faulk
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Posted: 2006-04-05 13:54 CET | |
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Yeah, I know at the start of this thread I said that I wouldn't say what's right and wrong but I'm gonna have to go back on that coz pirating music and selling it: that's wrong. And just as wrong if you buy it. Sorry!
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FunkyMiles
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Posted: 2006-04-09 04:25 CET | |
| I support my local bands, and pretty much d/l everything else off of torrent. I buy all of my jazz cd's though, like Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, and Chet Baker. I must have spent hundreds on them all. | ||
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Shizzle
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Posted: 2006-04-19 01:50 CET | |
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Are CDs worth buying? * A CD only has a few good songs. o "...the public thinks albums have too much filler." BBC-1 [quick-link] * CDs cost too much. o The five biggest music companies were sued for CD price fixing Lieberman [quick-link] o Even when Universal lowered prices, retailers balked at listing the MSRP Ahrens [quick-link] * I wouldn't have bought the CD anyway. * Music these days is terrible, so that's why sales are declining o A 2006 poll found that 49% of music fans ages 18-to-34 say music is getting worse.Bauder [quick-link] P2P in general * Peer to peer networks have many useful applications; they shouldn't be shut down to stop music piracy. o Some copyrighted media is allowed to be shared. CreativeCommons [quick-link] o "Publish and obtain information on the Internet without fear of censorship." Freenet [quick-link] * Can use them to distribute files that don't have copyright restrictions (public domain). * I only download songs I already own as a backup copy. Is copyright infringement wrong? * MP3s are not a physical thing, so no actual value is lost by "stealing" a song. * Intellectual property should not follow the same rules as physical property. o "...the misused notion of intellectual property as a form of tangible property." Lemley [quick-link] o "Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property." Jefferson [quick-link] o "...making intellectual property decisions by analogy to physical object property, or even to older intellectual property policies, is a mistake." Stallman [quick-link] * If taping off the radio is okay, then why not trading MP3s? * If sharing with one friend is ok, then why is sharing with everybody wrong? * The Internet is global, and the RIAA is forcing American laws on the world. o The international community may abide by the Berne Convention, but the United States' DMCA goes beyond what the World Intellectual Property Organization required in the 1996 WIPO Copyright Treaty. EFF-2 [quick-link] * Copyright law is becoming increasingly restrictive because of special interests. o U.S. Copyright law is rooted in the Constitution, and has expanded through laws since then. Wikipedia-3 [quick-link] o "Lobbyists for movie studios and record labels have long dominated the copyright discussion in Washington" Dean [quick-link] * Some key laws and proposed bills o U.S. - Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act Wikipedia-2 [quick-link] + Status: Law (1998) o U.S. - Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) Wikipedia [quick-link] + Status: Law (1998) o U.S. - H.R.4077, The Piracy Deterrence and Education Act of 2004 LOC-1 [quick-link] + Status as of 2004-09-29: Received in the Senate o U.S. - S.2560, Inducing Infringement of Copyrights Act of 2004 (a.k.a. INDUCE Act) PublicKnowledge-2 [quick-link] + Status: Dead? o U.S. S.167, Family Entertainment and Copyright Act LOC-3 [quick-link] + Status: Law (2005) Rationalizing copyright infringement * I only download hard-to-find songs. * Most of the MP3s being shared are low quality. * Popular artists make plenty of money already. * Artists barely get a fraction of every CD sold, so they don't lose when their music is shared. o "[Royalties are] as intricate and controversial as everything else in the music industry." Obringer [quick-link] * Bands make their money by touring / live concerts / merchandizing. o "The top 10 percent of artists make money selling records. The rest go on tour..." Kafka [quick-link] * The music industry is dragging its heels in creating a legitimate online music business model. * If I bought a vinyl record (8-track, cassette tape, etc.) then shouldn't I get an upgrade to the latest media for free? Artists for file sharing * Many artists support file sharing. o Janis Ian Ian [quick-link] + "The premise of all this ballyhoo is that the industry (and its artists) are being harmed by free downloading. Nonsense." o Sonic Youth's Thurston Moore Moore,Thurston [quick-link] + "Trying to control music sharing - by shutting down P2P sites or MP3 blogs or BitTorrent or whatever other technology comes along - is like trying to control an affair of the heart. Nothing will stop it." o Blur's Dave Rowntree Mackintosh [quick-link] + "I'm blisteringly in favour [of file-sharing software]" + "You can't stop people exchanging any digitisable media over the internet" o Wilco's Jeff Tweedy Jardin [quick-link] + "If people are downloading our music, they're listening to it. The internet is like radio for us." + "I don't believe every download is a lost sale." + "I don't want potential fans to be blocked because the choice to check out our music becomes a financial decision for them." * Many artists oppose DRM copy protection on CDs o Chumbawamba's Neil Ferguson Ferguson [quick-link] + "So, why would the Record Company want to stop you playing your CD on your PC? That would seem inappropriate in this 'age of the iPod'." + "Putting copy protection on CD's has little or no effect on the 'Pirate'" Benefits of trading * I preview songs before buying the CD. * Some artists get good word of mouth when their music is traded. * Since I've started downloading MP3s, I've bought more CDs / more diverse music. o "...now owns more CDs than I have collected in a lifetime of less exploratory listening." O'Reilly [quick-link] o "People who illegally share music files online are also big spenders on legal music downloads, research suggests." BBC-2 [quick-link] Extreme measures * Whenever Hilary Rosen (or Metallica, etc.) tells me not to steal music, I do it just to spite them. * Boycott the music industry. o "Take a stand against the Recording Industry Association of America" Boycott [quick-link] Humor * All the MP3s I download are paid for, just not by me. Effects on industry / musicians * The music industry said the same thing about cassette tapes, and the industry didn't crumble. o From the 70s to the 80s, the RIAA fought for a tax on blank tapes Taintor [quick-link] o The movie industry was also opposed to recordable media. i.e. Betamax Case Balio [quick-link] * File sharing doesn't affect CD sales o Any decline in sales is probably because of the bad economy, not file sharing. Moore,Justin [quick-link] o One study says file sharing has little impact on CD sales. Reuters [quick-link] o "BMI posts record year, despite music industry doom and gloom" Fisher [quick-link] o Popular artists are negatively affected, but lesser known artists benefit from file sharing. Slashdot-1 [quick-link] * The industry is made up of Luddites (afraid of technology) o "File sharing networks ... threaten existing publishers." O'Reilly [quick-link] * They need a new business model o "selling recorded performances can no longer be the cash cow it was during the 20th century" Paul [quick-link] * The biggest threat to creativity isn't file sharing, but the ever-tightening grip the industry is putting on intellectual "property" o "Creativity depends upon the owners of creativity having less than perfect control." Lessig [quick-link] Industry Reaction * The music industry's most prominent weapon against illegal file sharing has been suing presumed uploaders. o "But suing fans doesn't pay artists." EFF [quick-link] o "Hundreds of people are being wrongly sued by the [RIAA]" Gain [quick-link] o Pew Internet study: Though musicians oppose illegal file sharing, think RIAA lawsuits are ineffective Hermida [quick-link] * In an attempt at reducing file sharing, the music industry has been including DRM (Digital Rights Management) on some CDs. o "On Monday, October 31, alert users discovered that Sony BMG is using copy-protected CDs to surreptitiously install its digital rights management technology onto PCs." Wood [quick-link] Me copying and pasting that is breaking copyright, me listening to a song for free is not. In general... Pirating full CDs =  Pirating CDs you can't find in stores = Pirating CDs and selling them = Pirating song you just heard on the radio = Pirating whole artist selection = Pirating to support local bands = |
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Faulk
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Posted: 2006-04-19 05:35 CET | |
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Wow...That's a lot of info. Thanks for your contribution, it's interesting but I don't understand how you can pirate to support local bands???
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Shizzle
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Posted: 2006-04-19 20:42 CET | |
 All I wrote was the bottom part.. The rest was copied and pasted, it turned out confusing because the text format changed.Anyways, you can support local bands by having their songs on a P2P network... It's one more way for them to get their name out there. I've downloaded plenty of local bands that I would have never heard of if they're fans hadn't put them out there. |
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Faulk
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Posted: 2006-04-21 05:51 CET | |
| Oh, yeah I understand that. I've done a similar sort of thing to learn of other bands that I haven't heard of. That's cool B) | ||