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Shizzle
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Posted: 2006-04-21 03:22 CET | |
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I just got my first trumpet today... It's way harder to make a note come out of that thing than I thought it would be. After about an hour I was able to actually get sounds out of it, and I can't say they were pleasant. I'm still not sure if im making my lips right, I just made different noises until a note came out. Being a new guy, I'm guessing my first steps should be trying to learn how to make different notes. Is there any strategy at doing this or do I just sit in my room with a tuner? |
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Faulk
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Posted: 2006-04-21 06:41 CET | |
OK. First make sure you can make a good note. To do this, (start with C, all valves open) put your lips together, put them on the mouthpiece and blow air through your lips. It might still sound sloppy, so just using your cheek muscles, try to pull the corners of you mouth apart more. To make notes just push the valves down (I think there's a fingering chart in the 'Articles' section) I don't think a tuner should really be necessary because when you press the valves the note shouldn't be too much out of tune. as you play higher notes, slightly tighten your lips and as you play lower notes slightly relax your lips. I know that I'm treating you like a six-year-old and you probably know half of that stuff already so I apologise for that. Once you get a trumpet teacher, everything will make sense. And if you don't get a trumpet teacher...well good luck.
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Shizzle
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Posted: 2006-04-22 03:04 CET | |
With what you've told me I have like 100 questions now or at least a couple..You said all open valves would be a C right? Since my trumpet is in the key of Bb shouldn't all open be Bb? But anyways, I have bigger problems than that.. When I blow with all valves open my tuner is more in the F range.. Either I really suck at blowing or my trumpet is out of tune (is that even possible?). Any advice to get it more in the C range? Leading to my next question.. Do trumpets get out of tune? If so how do you tune them? And some completly random questions... - I bought a cleaning kit when I got my trumpet (this one to be exact http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Band/and/Orchestra/Brass?sku=425512) what is all that stuff for, where do I use it? - Theres a sliding piece on one of them bottom pipes.. It sounds like air flows in and out when you slides it. What is it used for? - This ones hilarious but im serious, how do you hold the thing? - How fragile are they, i'm like afraid to touch anything on it or set it down outside of the case. Actually I like how your explaining things, I know nothing about trumpets so what you think are basics help me a lot. And I do plan on getting lessons eventually.. I want to get the hang of it first though. Probably in a few months. |
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Dizzy
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Posted: 2006-04-22 06:58 CET | |
Shizzle wrote:
Trumpet is a tranposing instrument. So a Bb played on piano will sound the same pitch as a C played on trumpet. Shizzle wrote:
What you are playing is a G. Your tuner is showing you in concert pitch (same as piano) what note you are playing (concert F). Some tuners can be programmed to show in trumpet pitch. Trumpets can be out of tune, but at this stage I wouldn't worry about it too much. They can be tuned by moving the main tuning slide in or out. The main tuning slide is largest tuning slide, that connects to the lead pipe (where you put your mouthpiece in) To play a C you either have to move up or down. Because that G is in the middle of two C's. To change notes you blow faster air for higher, while rolling in your lips and slower air for lower while allowing your lips to roll out. Shizzle wrote:
You have three brushes. The longest one is used for the lead pipe. Remove your mouthpiece and the main tuning slide. You can now slide that snake (as they are called) through that pipe. You will get a lot of gunk in that pipe so do it every fortnight or so. I've seen main trumpets that don't clean that pipe for a long time then when they do it, you get some very gross green/black gunk slopping out. The smallest brush is for the mouthpiece. Clean you mouthpiece in hot (not boiling) soapy water every couple of days. If you keep that clean, the gunk has less chance to travel into your horn. The last brush is for the valves. Each valve has to go in the right case and has to be lined up properly or you won't be able to blow any air through the horn. Each valve will be stamped with a number so you know which is which and in what order they go. The other stuff is valve oil, remove the valve and only a couple of drops are needed. Make sure the valve lines up when you put it back. Twist is around until it clicks. If you get this wrong you can't get any air through the air or you will get only a little air through. If tha happens take it out and twist it till it clicks. The slide cream is too keep the slides moving freely. You have the main tuning slide. (Talked about that before) and three valve slides. Make sure they are clean and slide nicly. The cloth is simply to make your horn shiny and looking nice. ![]() Shizzle wrote: Theres a sliding piece on one of them bottom pipes.. It sounds like air flows in and out when you slides it. What is it used for? Umm, That sounds like the third valve slide. Am i right? Try not to move that without pressing the third valve down as each time you do you lessen the air pressure in the valve. Shizzle wrote: This ones hilarious but im serious, how do you hold the thing? Check out this page. http://www.trumpetguild.org/itgyouth/masterclass/Hickman.htm Shizzle wrote: How fragile are they, i'm like afraid to touch anything on it or set it down outside of the case. They are not super fragile. They will survive if you put down on a table. They will dent if it falls from the table. Use common sense. Shizzle wrote: And I do plan on getting lessons eventually.. I want to get the hang of it first though. Probably in a few months. Like others have said I wouldn't recommend this. Every time you touch the horn you form a habit. Good habits and bad habits. Each time you repeat an action you ingrain that habit (good or bad) Any bad habits you form are easy to change if you have lessons right away. The longer you wait the harder it will be. A few other pointers - Shizzle wrote: After about an hour I was able to actually get sounds out of it, and I can't say they were pleasant. I'm still not sure if im making my lips right, I just made different noises until a note came out. This is not cool. At this stage I would say practise only 15 minutes at a time. An hour is too long and you will tire very quickly. By 15 minutes I mean 15min in a session. You can have 4 sessions a day with rest (at least 45min) inbetween. Much better way of going about things. Also you may not get this from you beginner book but low D's and low C#'s should be played with the third valve slide out about an inch. PLease look at my post on the BALANCED EMBOUCHURE. You will get a lot out of this book. Remember what I said about habit forming? Building correct habits via this book will set you up for your trumpet playing life. http://horntabs.net/thread.cgi?thread=365#3951 Ok so this was a long post. But if you only take one thing from it, I would hope it would be, get a teacher. He/She could explain and demonstaight all of what I have said much more easily than anyone could ever do over the internet. Also Buy the BALANCED EMBOUCHURE book. Good luck, feel free to ask any more questions. Can't promise another post like this, but I'll do my best. |
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Faulk
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Posted: 2006-04-22 07:03 CET | |
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Dammit, Dizzy. I was just about to say that
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Shizzle
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Posted: 2006-04-22 20:20 CET | |
Dizzy wrote:
What do you mean by "sound" the same.. I'm guessing it truly is C but on trumpet everything is a full step higher than standard? Dizzy wrote:
So I would want to get my tuner to show a Bb instaid of that F right? And if I were attempting a trumpet song, and had to play a C, I would want my tuner to say D? Dizzy wrote:
I haven't tried this yet but i'm going too.. So do all the notes change based on your lip shapes and air flow? It's okay to get a G with all the valves open right? Dizzy wrote:
Great, I think i'll be able to handle that. Do all those valves and slides come off for you to clean them? I'm guessing you use those little clamps at the end of each one or just pull them out? Can I accidentally alter anything by taking those valves and slides out for cleaning? Dizzy wrote:
I'm looking at a trumpet diagram and I think your right..The one labeled third valve looks like the one im talking about. I moved it a lot when I first got it, did I screw something up doing that? What is that thing actually used for? Dizzy wrote:
Haha, I felt stupid asking that but someone knew it was important. ![]() Dizzy wrote:
Ok thats cool, I thought it would like break into pieces if I ever dropped it. Dizzy wrote:
Yea i'm starting to think I should go sooner. I didn't think I'd have this much trouble with the basics. I really don't have time or money for it yet though so i'll probably have to wait a while. I may get that book you recomended and start reading up until then. Dizzy wrote:
Ah, an hour was kind of sarcastic. I haven't picked it up for more than 10-20 minutes at a time. And it really hasn't been much of anything, I've just been trying to practice getting my lips right. Do you think if I bought that book it would help me much as a beginner? Thanks, you guys have both helped me a lot. |
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Dizzy
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Posted: 2006-04-23 07:38 CET | |
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It might be a good idea to put the tuner away and just think only in term of what note you play on trumpet rather than what it is in concert pitch. I can see this is confusing you, and it can be a complex study at times. A low C is open, G above that is open and C above that is open. I think you need to buy a beginner book which has a fingering chart and some basic melodies, scales, exercises. The balanced Embouchure book doesn't have that stuff, it is more about the correct role of the lips, tongue and breathing. For best results get both the BE ( The balanced Embouchure) book and beginner book. Some of your question are difficult to explain over the internet but would be very to answer if someone could show you in person using their trumpet. |
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Faulk
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Posted: 2006-04-23 09:14 CET | |
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The only other things that I would like to add to this encyclopedia is firstly about the cloth. The sweat from your hands over a long period of time (at least five years) can unfortunately, corode the outside of you trumpet. Not badly, it's just that if you compare some old trumpets with a new trumpet, the old trumpet will most likely be dull or foggy, not shiny like the new one. So to prevent this you wipe down the trumpet's surface when you've finished playing, especially around the valve casings. It's not essential but if you look at some old trumpets you'll see what I mean. Also, it's probably a good idea to start gettinng familliar with the notes. As I said earlier there's some stuff in the 'Articles' section of this site but I'll write something out quick now: Note : C D E F G A B C Fingering: 0 1 1 1 0 1 2 0 3 2 2 (0 means all open) That's the C Major scale, so there's notes below and notes above and sharps and flats in between but that bottom C is the lowest all open note. If I were you, at this stage I wouldn't venture much higher above that top C (also called C2. I'll let you guess what they call the lowest C) because if you do you might injure your lips, and if that happens, you might do some long term muscle damage (that's bad). So yeah, I recommend you get lessons. But that's easy for me to say, I get mine for free
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Faulk
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Posted: 2006-04-23 09:25 CET | |
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As you can see, that scale didn't work. I'll try and patch up the bad bits now: C=0 D=1,3 E=1,2 F=1 G=0 A=1,2 B=2 C=0. Hope you can understand that. Also **getting** not gettinng. |
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_Streetlight_Ska
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Posted: 2006-06-09 03:11 CET | |
I'm suprised nobody has mentioned this yet.. but when you blow into the mouthpiece you dont just blow or your going to get a yucky sound like you stated earlier.. make sure you are "buzzing" your lips by putting them tight and blowing through the center of your mouth so you get the buzz noise.. you know like a bee I was told this thousands of times by my 6th grade band teacher and its true. and of course as you play higher you just tighten up a little more at a time.
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